tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post2341901228279579614..comments2024-03-08T18:04:37.943-08:00Comments on Paul and co-workers: A free commentary offer, and Barnett's 2 Cor sequenceRichard Fellowshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-86568871035831432232010-08-01T23:34:45.267-07:002010-08-01T23:34:45.267-07:00Hi again Richard:
I am not philologist and I don&...Hi again Richard:<br /><br />I am not philologist and I don't know if 1 Corinthians is only one letter or several letters, but many authors think that is not a unity but a compilation. <br /><br />"Since Weiss' original theory that 1 Corinthians is a composite of two letters, numerous studies have tried to prove that 1 Corinthians is the editorial composite of two or more letters to the Corinthians"<br /><br />I don't know it the partitionists are right or wrong, but it es a possibility.<br /><br />XabierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-2857361640079987182010-07-31T15:06:21.776-07:002010-07-31T15:06:21.776-07:00Hi Xabier,
I don't know of anyone who partiti...Hi Xabier,<br /><br />I don't know of anyone who partitions 1 Corinthians any more. I get the impression that it is only partition theories of 2 Corinthians that encouraged some scholars to partition 1 Corinthians. If the evidence for partitioning 2 Corinthians is removed, the partition theories of 1 Corinthians become moot.<br /><br />Your sequence is quite complicated, in that it requires multiple changes in travel plans and duplications.<br /><br />A further problem is that your "Corinthians B" makes not mention of the change of travel plans that you propose, or of the sexual immorality that Paul discovered on his second visit to Corinth.<br /><br />Also, people whose schemes are similar at this point offer no explanation for why Paul changed his travel plan here.<br /><br />Also, there is no real evidence that there ever was a 'crisis' in Corinth. The tearful letter was written in confidence.<br /><br />Also, it it likely that the change in travel plans was communicated to the Corinthians in the last letter before 2 Corinthians, because 2 Corinthians discusses the Corinthians' first reaction to the change of travel plans.Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-38395206745194492102010-07-31T05:24:47.733-07:002010-07-31T05:24:47.733-07:00Hi Richard:
Many authors, theologians and philolo...Hi Richard:<br /><br />Many authors, theologians and philologists, think that 1 Corinthians is a combination of 2 letters (Corinthians A and Corinthians B). I know you desagree, but if they are certain, a possible sequence could be:<br /><br />1. Previous letter.<br /><br />2. Paul sends Corinthians A (possibly, 1 Cor 1-5; 6,12-9,27; 10,23-11,1; 12,1-14,40; 16,1-12.19-24) and Titus/Timothy goes to Corinth through Macedonia. Paul expect him with the broters (I think that in Ephesus)<br /><br />3. Titus/Timothy returns to Ephesus and give Paul a very negative report.<br /><br />4. Paul travels to Corinth and he warned them that he would not be lenient with them when he came back. Paul planned to make this visit to Corinth and then to proceed to Macedonia before returning to Corinth.<br /><br />5. Paul writes Corinthians B (possibly, (1 Cor 6,1-11; 10,1-22; 11,2-34; 15; 16,13-18). Change of plans: he explains that he would visit first Macedonia and then Corinth.<br /><br />6. Crisis in Corinth. Paul writes the teerful letter (lost) carried by Titus/Timothy.<br /><br />7. Paul leaves Ephesus and Titus/Timothy leaves Corinth.<br /><br />Greetings from Spain (Basque Country)<br /> <br />XabierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-14887979878673868992010-07-29T17:56:53.548-07:002010-07-29T17:56:53.548-07:00Yes.Yes.Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-30605470735454680882010-07-29T10:20:55.784-07:002010-07-29T10:20:55.784-07:00Still trying to figure this order out.
You said ...Still trying to figure this order out. <br /><br />You said that you argued for the unity of 2nd Cor. Does the same hold true to 1st Co?J. L. Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000798494472742263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-76035756595492027262010-07-29T08:24:10.471-07:002010-07-29T08:24:10.471-07:00Clement mentions 1 Corinthians, but probably not 2...Clement mentions 1 Corinthians, but probably not 2 Corinthians.<br /><br />I have argued against the duplications that commentators routinely hypothesize. Life is so much simpler when we accept that Titus was Timothy.<br /><br />I don't understand what you mean by 1st Corinthians being out of order. The order of the writing of the letters was "former letter", "tearful letter", the Corinthians' letter to Paul, 1 Cor, 2 Cor. The order of the arrival of the letters was "former letter", the Corinthians' letter to Paul, 1 Cor, "Tearful letter", 2 Cor.Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-30366243539812477082010-07-29T06:36:22.490-07:002010-07-29T06:36:22.490-07:00I've looked and cannot find a reference to Pau...I've looked and cannot find a reference to Paul's letter(s) in 1st Clement, but not sure if that really matters....<br /><br />Could the Corinthian Church have been that bad that Paul had to duplicate man of his responses? <br /><br />Or could 1st Corinthians be out of order?J. L. Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000798494472742263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-8363038736620672842010-07-28T21:12:05.929-07:002010-07-28T21:12:05.929-07:00It is interesting that you ask that. In my JSNT pa...It is interesting that you ask that. In my JSNT paper I suggested, tentatively, that 2 Cor 10-13 was the tearful letter, and was written before 1 Corinthians (but arrived in Corinth after 1 Corinthians). However, I have now firmly abandoned that view, and have recently argued on this blog that Titus-Timothy demonstrates the unity of 2 Corinthians.<br /><br />It used to be popular to believe that 2 Cor 6:14-7:1 was part of the "former letter" (1 Cor 5:9), but, again, I have argued against this.<br /><br />As far as my proposed sequence is concerned, the only counter-arguments that come to mind right now are (weak) arguments from silence, such as the silence of 1 Corinthians concerning Paul's second visit to Corinth.Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2860023273901948907.post-81523115271455428902010-07-28T11:57:00.312-07:002010-07-28T11:57:00.312-07:00Could 2nd Cor. be a composite of several letters b...Could 2nd Cor. be a composite of several letters by Paul before and after 1st Cor?J. L. Wattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000798494472742263noreply@blogger.com